[[dan whaley]] starts with the [[25 years question]]: really durable technologies last >25y. web has that; wikis are almost there. What’s most important to think about note taking?
[[oliver sauter]] anything that lasts 25y requires sustained effort. an ability to iterate towards this.
[[conaw]] what’s motivating the question? there seems to be an unspoken assumption that web/wiki technology is 25y old.
[[dan whaley]] what would define the note taking apps we use in 25y? what’s most important about what we’re about to build?
[[conor]] durability is an interesting idea: we are all benefitting from vannevar bush’s [[memex]] and the mother of all demos.
web of alexandria (sp?): most durable knowledge storage is dna. it is constantly propagating.
roam exports to json and md to make data durable/portable.
memory diamonds (?)
[[ward cunningham]] certainly decentralization is needed. json is nice — they claim it’s not going to be versioned.
we wanted to do work in the wiki instead of just writing about it. we wanted to bundle data and processes.
different kinds of things got different markup — we tried keeping the number of markups to a minimum.
[[junyu zhan]] predicting the future is hard but we can learn from history. let’s take the web: why is it still around?
it’s open
it’s accessible to everyone
it evolves — we have better browsers and protocols than before but the content remains
note taking applications will always change; but the data will be around for a long time.
[[bastien guerry]] git has been quite a change. it’ll be 25y old in 9y :) versioning will be pervasive; perhaps git is the right infrastructure.
[[flancian]] "seeding" or bootstrapping problem. inclusivity, strength through diversity. I’d like whatever takes the place of the agora in 25y to be not only runnable but reimplementable by an interested 13yo with plenty of time. cooperative efforts. effective altruism.
[[daniel doyon]] note taking typically takes place within an app right now. in the future note taking will be more integrated at the browser/OS level.
[[oliver sauter]] interoperability is key; interoperability is what lets knowledge subsist.
[[flancian]] +1, we don’t know the nature of media/resources in the future; but presumably the base problem of ownership of data/social graphs is orthogonal
backlinks can be overwhelming: how to express which subset of them you are interested in.
[[oliver sauter]] how do we make it possible in the UX to trigger lookup flows for [[
[[bastien guerry]] backlinks will be the default. [[org mode]] doesn’t have them, but [[org roam]] implements them. the secret of [[org mode]] is how well integrated it is with emacs, and how often people just live in emacs.
[[ward cunningham]] our experience: if you ask for backlinks, you’ll get them from your neighborhood. when you get past 10k, things got breaking.
[[dan whaley]] points at one of the drawbacks: scaling issues.