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Table of Contents
- [[Definitions]]
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[[Lagrangian]] [[lagrangian]]
- [[units of energy]]
- [[no single expression for all physical systems]]
- [[only applicable to systems with holonomic constraints]]
- [[Why only first derivatives are appearing]]
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[[Independent position and velocity]]
- [[in a sense these are initial conditions so both are necessary]]
- [[Let me refer to this great book: “Applied Differential Geometry”. By William L. Burke. The very first line of the book (where an author usually says to whom this book is devoted) is this: “To all those who like me have wondered how in the hell you can change q’ without changing q”]]
- [[https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/119992/what-do-the-derivatives-in-these-hamilton-equations-mean]]
- [[another explanation from the same guy https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/60706/lagrangian-mechanics-and-time-derivative-on-general-coordinates]]
- [[interesting point that var(q’) = d/dt var(q) (why?) https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/985/40624]]
- [[might be insightful?… https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/2895/40624]]
- [[https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/168551/independence-of-position-and-velocity-in-lagrangian-from-the-point-of-view-of-ph – not sure if useful…]]
- [[https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/60706/lagrangian-mechanics-and-time-derivative-on-general-coordinates – not sure if useful..]]
- [[For every symmetry, there is a conserved quantity]]
- [Einstein was not satisfied about GR until he derived it from lagrangian (as an indication how powerful is the concept) https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics/comments/3me1hr/explanation_of_lagrangian_mechanics/cveb611/](#nstnwsntstsfdbtgrntlhdrvdmhrxplntnflgrngnmchncscvb TIDDLYLINK)
- [[reddit recommends Taylor’s book]]
- [[as an analogy: when you learn energy, dealing with forces is much easier; when you learn lagrangian, dealing with crazy coordinates and constraints much easier]]
- [[When you find the Euler-Lagrange equations for your system, they will be written in terms of these generalized coordinates, and the terms in the equations are known as generalized forces. This is because usually the Euler-Lagrange equations have something that looks a lot like “ma” (mass times acceleration) on one side of the equations, and thus the other terms could be interpreted as “forces”, but written in these general variables.]]
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[2019-01-15]http://cp3-origins.dk/a/14332 [[toblog]] -
[[Galilean invariance forces classical lagrangian to depend on velocity quadratically]]
[2019-01-15]classical mechanics - Deriving the Lagrangian for a free particle - Physics Stack Exchange [[lagrangian]][2018-11-29]classical mechanics - Why does Lagrangian of free particle depend on the square of the velocity ? - Physics Stack Exchange[2018-11-29]newtonian mechanics - Galilean invariance of Lagrangian for non-relativistic free point particle? - Physics Stack Exchange [[lagrangian]]
[2018-11-30]Degenerate Lagrangian? - My Math Forum[2018-11-25]What does a Lagrangian of the form (L=m^2\dot x^4 +U(x)\dot x^2 -W(x)) represent? - Physics Stack Exchange-
[[on Lagrangian being extreme value/minimum]]
[2018-12-04]lagrangian formalism - Confusion regarding the principle of least action in Landau & Lifshitz "The Classical Theory of Fields" - Physics Stack Exchange[2018-12-04]lagrangian formalism - Hamilton’s Principle - Physics Stack Exchange[2018-12-02]http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Principle_of_least_action#When_Action_is_a_Minimum[2018-12-02]Even more trivial example when least action principle doesn’t work
[2018-11-30]Лагранжиан L {\displaystyle L} L называется вырожденным, если его оператор Эйлера — Лагранжа удовлетворяет нетривиальным тождествам Нётер. В этом случае уравнения Эйлера — Лагранжа не являются независимыми
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[2019-01-15]Legendre transform[2019-01-15]nice intuition in terms of areas-
[2018-11-29]Преобразование Лежандра — Википедия [[lagrangian]] [2019-01-15]Making Sense of the Legendre Transform- [[So the Fourier transform and the Legendre transform may be interpreted as the same thing, just over different semirings.]]
- [https://physicstravelguide.com/advanced_tools/legendre_transformation#tab__concrete](#sphyscstrvlgdcmdvncdtlslgndrtrnsfrmtntbcncrt TIDDLYLINK)
- [[http://blog.jessriedel.com/2017/06/28/legendre-transform/]]
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[[Hamiltonian]]
- [[has some meaning in statistical physics]]
- [[something about Poisson brackets]]
- [[configuration space with dimension n: 2n Hamilton equations of first order; n Euler-Lagrange of second order]]
- [[Hamiltonians are easier to find transformations to canonical coordinates]]
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[2019-01-16]is hamiltonian same thing as energy?
- [[physics sim for phase space *repos/physics-sim*]] [[study]] [[viz]] [[lagrangian]]
- [[additional term depending on velocity is kinda like time transformation?]] [[study]] [[lagrangian]]
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[2019-01-15]———-–— review later… [2018-11-29]homework and exercises - Lagrangian in a system with a specific velocity dependent potential - Physics Stack Exchange [[lagrangian]]- ———–—
[2019-01-15]————-–— needs review - [[Griffith classical mechanics]]
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[2018-07-24]Classical Mechanics - [[baez lagrangian mechanics]] [[baez]]
- [ham vs lagr https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/6be3ex/what_are_lagrangian_and_hamiltonian_mechanics_in/](#hmvslgrswwwrddtcmrskscnccwhtrlgrngnndhmltnnmchncsn TIDDLYLINK)
- [[How are symmetries precisely defined? - Physics Stack Exchange]]
- [[action principle for SR]] [[relativity]]
- [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalized_coordinates](#snwkpdrgwkgnrlzdcrdnts TIDDLYLINK)
[2018-07-31]some random notes [[lagrangian]] [[hamiltonian]]-
[2018-11-25]Zero Hamiltonian and its energies | Physics Forums -
[2018-12-02]Are the Hamiltonian and Lagrangian always convex functions? - Physics Stack Exchange [[lagrangian]][2019-01-16]also good answer, basically explaining that it’s not great to impose convexity conditions on only one set of canonical coordinates https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/104279/40624[2019-01-16]https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/103997/are-the-hamiltonian-and-lagrangian-always-convex-functions#comment760950_339519
[2018-11-15]Proof by Picture [[viz]][2018-11-18]book: Structure and Interpretation of Classical Mechanics- [[hmm, to visualise phase trajectories, we can just do 3D plot, then we know that the particle is moving along isolines]] [[hamiltonian]] [[viz]]
- [[Isotropic lagrangian velocity]] [[lagrangian]]
- [[discrete lagrangian? vary it on space of matrices??]] [[think]]
[2018-11-30]Задачка на Лагранжиан : Помогите решить / разобраться (Ф) - Страница 3[2020-08-09]Notes & HW for Section 6.1 [[lagrangian]][2020-08-09]Structure and Interpretation of Classical Mechanics: Chapter 7[2018-08-25]In classical mechanics, the state of a system is determined by a point in phase space [[lagrangian]][2019-03-20]lagrangian formalism - What is the difference between a complex scalar field and two real scalar fields? - Physics Stack Exchange-
[2018-07-31]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostrogradsky_instability – explanation why differential equations of orders higher than two do not appear in physics [[math]] [[physics]] [[diffeq]] [2020-01-15]Noether’s Theorem – A Quick Explanation (2019)
Definitions
A nonholonomic system – state depends on the path taken in order to achieve it.
Phase space vs configuration space
Lagrangian [[lagrangian]]
units of energy
no single expression for all physical systems
only applicable to systems with holonomic constraints
Why only first derivatives are appearing
Ostrogradsky instability
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/4102/why-are-there-only-derivatives-to-the-first-order-in-the-lagrangian
Independent position and velocity
in a sense these are initial conditions so both are necessary
Let me refer to this great book: "Applied Differential Geometry". By William L. Burke. The very first line of the book (where an author usually says to whom this book is devoted) is this: "To all those who like me have wondered how in the hell you can change q’ without changing q"
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/119992/what-do-the-derivatives-in-these-hamilton-equations-mean
q and q’ are just labels, treat them independently
good points about meaning in the very end
another explanation from the same guy https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/60706/lagrangian-mechanics-and-time-derivative-on-general-coordinates
interesting point that var(q’) = d/dt var(q) (why?) https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/985/40624
might be insightful?… https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/2895/40624
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/168551/independence-of-position-and-velocity-in-lagrangian-from-the-point-of-view-of-ph – not sure if useful…
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/60706/lagrangian-mechanics-and-time-derivative-on-general-coordinates – not sure if useful..
For every symmetry, there is a conserved quantity
Einstein was not satisfied about GR until he derived it from lagrangian (as an indication how powerful is the concept) https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics/comments/3me1hr/explanation_of_lagrangian_mechanics/cveb611/
reddit recommends Taylor’s book
as an analogy: when you learn energy, dealing with forces is much easier; when you learn lagrangian, dealing with crazy coordinates and constraints much easier
When you find the Euler-Lagrange equations for your system, they will be written in terms of these generalized coordinates, and the terms in the equations are known as generalized forces. This is because usually the Euler-Lagrange equations have something that looks a lot like "ma" (mass times acceleration) on one side of the equations, and thus the other terms could be interpreted as "forces", but written in these general variables.
[2019-01-15] http://cp3-origins.dk/a/14332 [[toblog]]
When the action, and hence the phase, is stationary changing it by a small amount doesn’t change the phase by much. In a small region (compared to ℏ) these paths can add up coherently to give a significant contribution to the sum above. This is what we see in the cartoon above for a very small subset of paths.
Classical mechanics is quantum mechanics using the stationary phase approximation.
hmm, interesting about Wick rotation…
Paths far from the minimum hardly contribute anything and so it isn’t necessary to calculate the action arbitrarily accurately.
eh?
Galilean invariance forces classical lagrangian to depend on velocity quadratically
[2019-01-15] classical mechanics - Deriving the Lagrangian for a free particle - Physics Stack Exchange [[lagrangian]]
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/23098/deriving-the-lagrangian-for-a-free-particle
Comment:
justification of lagrangian for classical mechanics from Landau… weird, didn’t really get it
[2018-11-29] classical mechanics - Why does Lagrangian of free particle depend on the square of the velocity ? - Physics Stack Exchange
The Lagrangian should not only be independent of the direction of v⃗ v→ but it should also change correctly under a Galilean transformation. For instance, if KK and K′K′ are two frames of reference with a relative velocity V⃗ V→ then the two Lagrangians LL and L′L′ should differ only by a total time derivative.
[2018-11-29] newtonian mechanics - Galilean invariance of Lagrangian for non-relativistic free point particle? - Physics Stack Exchange [[lagrangian]]
[2018-11-30] Degenerate Lagrangian? - My Math Forum
http://mymathforum.com/differential-equations/43493-degenerate-lagrangian.html
a degenerate Lagrangian is one who’s Hesse determinant is zero. It’s a condition on the second partial derivatives of the Lagrangian.
there is also a link to pdf, might be worth reading…
[2018-11-25] What does a Lagrangian of the form (L=m^2\dot x^4 +U(x)\dot x^2 -W(x)) represent? - Physics Stack Exchange
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/17406/what-does-a-lagrangian-of-the-form-l-m2-dot-x4-ux-dot-x2-wx-represent
eh, weird. complex expression for lagrangian that ends up looking same as classical. well ok
on Lagrangian being extreme value/minimum
[2018-12-04] lagrangian formalism - Confusion regarding the principle of least action in Landau & Lifshitz "The Classical Theory of Fields" - Physics Stack Exchange
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/122486/confusion-regarding-the-principle-of-least-action-in-landau-lifshitz-the-clas#comment249472_122504
conjugate points; about infinitesimal path, characteristic scale of the problem
conditions for lagrangian regularity and conjugate points
[2018-12-04] lagrangian formalism - Hamilton’s Principle - Physics Stack Exchange
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/9/hamiltons-principle
Basically, the whole thing is summarized in a nutshell in Richard P. Feynman, The Feynman Lectures on Physics (Addison–Wesley, Reading, MA, 1964), Vol. II, Chap. 19. (I think, please correct me if I'm wrong here). The fundamental idea is that the action integral defines the quantum mechanical amplitude for the position of the particle, and the amplitude is stable to interference effects (-->has nonzero probability of occurrence) only at extrema or saddle points of the action integral. The particle really does explore all alternative paths probabilistically.
[2018-12-02] http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Principle_of_least_action#When_Action_is_a_Minimum
or some 1D potentials V(x) (those with ∂2V/∂x2≤0 everywhere), e.g. V(x)=0 , V(x)=mgx , and V(x)=−Cx2 , all true trajectories have minimum S . For most potentials, however, only sufficiently short true trajectories have minimum action; the others have an action saddle point. "Sufficiently short" means that the final space-time event occurs before the so-called kinetic focus event of the trajectory.
[2018-12-02] Even more trivial example when least action principle doesn’t work
Принцип наименьшего действия. Часть 2 / Хабр https://habr.com/ru/post/426253/
На рисунке нарисованы обе физически возможные траектории движения шара. Зеленая траектория соответствует покоящемуся шару, в то время как синяя соответствует шару, отскочившему от пружинящей стенки.
Однако минимальным действием обладает только одна из них, а именно первая! У второй траектории действие больше. Получается, что в данной задаче имеются две физически возможных траектории и всего одна с минимальным действием. Т.е. в данном случае принцип наименьшего действия не работает.
[2018-11-30] Лагранжиан L {\displaystyle L} L называется вырожденным, если его оператор Эйлера — Лагранжа удовлетворяет нетривиальным тождествам Нётер. В этом случае уравнения Эйлера — Лагранжа не являются независимыми
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